The manual of arms on the promotes consistency across weapons platforms. Like the patrol rifle and shotgun, the requires the user to first deactivate a manual safety prior to firing, and that manual safety operates in the same direction on the and popular AR rifle which has replaced the shotgun entirely, in many agencies.
Since officers will fire many more rounds through their pistol in training than they will with their long guns, equipping them with a promotes good habits that will carry over to the less familiar weapons. Officers who train extensively with pistols that only require a trigger press to fire will sometimes forget to off-safe their long guns in a moment of stress or place them back on safe when the danger is over. The forces officers to be conscious of the safety lever, enhancing safety and consistency in training and operations.
The objective arguments in support of the are compelling enough, but there are a host of subjective factors that must be considered as well. The is a design with a rich history and a reputation as a hard-hitting pistol that stops fights quickly. These qualities have endeared it to many officers , who feel more confident carrying this pistol than any other. When an officer is confident in his equipment, and his ability to use it, it translates into improved officer presence.
That, in turn, helps to improve an officer's control of the situation, deter assaults on the officer and reduce the chance the officer will need to use force at all. Confidence and pride in equipment is an important part of morale — something which is frequently in short supply these days, as the attacks and demands on the profession become more extreme. The case for the as a law enforcement duty pistol is a strong one. As with any other police weapon, there are strengths and weaknesses to the design.
Additionally, there are training and maintenance issues that must be carefully attended to in order to ensure the greatest reliability and success with the pistol. However, the has proven, over the course of plus years, that it's capable of doing the job efficiently and safely. Police administrators should give it a fair chance, and evaluate it on the merits, not the hype.
More Product news. More Product Originals. More Police Firearms Articles. All Distributors. More Police Firearms Deals. Or do you think the officer will holster his pistol to free up his hands to manage the pursuit better. Stop watching Hollywood movies' chase scenes please and do us all a favor and think before you pipe up something idiotic. One thing that has not been mentioned here is the fact that the is designed for ease of maintenance when out in the field.
A basic Colt can be broken down by using its own parts and the recoil spring cap can be replaced by a spent 45acp case. This makes it suitable for soldiers out in the field. Clearly you've never been in Afghanistan. Anyway, the ODA team we lived with all rocked some model of a Glock, in all three major calibers 9mm,. I thought it was interesting, as having a common caliber is easier to disperse ammunition, but then again these guys also rocked rifles in 5.
Haha, thanks for the laugh. The reason the rifle is the primary weon is because there is a secondary weapon. I expect the soldier to carry both. Which one is in his hand depends on the situation. If you think holstering a gun will completely prevent it from getting dirty in a sewer, then you have neither been in a sewer nor owned a holster.
Large cities have sewers with section more than deep enough to go waist deep. Small cities have sewers small enough that an officer's back will scrape the top and cause the stuff stuck to the top to fall off. But then I guess you have so much experience that you just know everything. To think, Congress could have avoided the hearings related to the M16 during the Vietnam war.
Obviously those Marines and soldiers that were killed during combat because their rifles stopped working when they got dirty were just lazy and unprofessional. At least according to you. I have 1 real world experience with a Having had a gas tube failure on my M4 during an exchange of fire on a contract job in Afghanistan , I went to my "secondary" which was a company issued Springfield.
I fired 4 or 5 rounds at the mud hut the fire was coming from, and remember having this flash of a thought; damn that makes a good hole. Because they can. Honestly out here in afganistan I see the SF guys carring mainly sigs and glocks for their secondaries.
I have never seen any SF guys carrying s in my army career. I agree with you dc2. I thought it unusual we had 's, and all the army people assigned to us, or that we saw had SIG's never saw a Glock.
I also got the impression I never asked , that they carried their own POF's as secondary's Do you know if thats the case dc2? I'd ask next time, but I am getting to slow for that crap, and I'm done with it, no matter how good the pay is :. I've never been in combat but I would think that you'd want a gun with as loose tolerances as you can get without negatively affecting the accuracy needed for combat, right? I would take a glock: Others out there also great combat pistols. SOF units also get to choose what they want, at least in the Army.
The ODA team we lived with preferred Glocks but on larger missions with other teams I saw different makes. Many of them ran BCM rifles as well. My colt seems to be finnicky to hollow point ammo, so i will never trust my life to it. If i was a professional that trusted my life to a pistol, it would be a USP tactical or MK23, period! Wooohooo full stop, hit the breaks, you are severely misinformed. Built to proper military specs, the WILL perform just fine in the dirt and muck.
A properly built milspec will serve you just fine in combat. Will it be as accurate as even the typical Springfield on the shelf at your local gun store today Is it the best choice given the advances in design and manufacturing.
Will the highly tuned tack driving models that make sense for swat, make sense for the average "grunt", absolutely NOT. We need to remember that the 's we are buying at retail Nor are the highly tuned models being employees by lapd swat, the fbi etc.
BUT the original design specs absolutely took into account dirk, mud and muck and still be able to function. My colt seems to be finnicky to hollow point ammo that is because the original design didn't need to fire anything but ball ammo ; there is a lot of things asked of the platform today that were NOT part of the original design specs, goals, needs.
But at it's hart, its a basically a horse soldier and officer's side arm meant to live hard and dirty and fire ball ammo. Because they all stand when they urinate. Fragile and expensive to maintain? Speed, precision, power. I shoot my LEM HK's and Glocks very well but at the end of even my best training session with either I can pick up my old faithful and shoot smaller groupings as fast or faster. Reloads are a hair slower. High speed types need the utmost accuracy especially in SWAT type hostage situations where they can't afford their equipment to be anything less than peak performance.
When it comes down to it, there isn't any gun I've yet to shoot that has both the mechanical accuracy and the easy ability to exploit that mechanical accuracy in real world performance to the degree of a highly tuned My HK45 for example is probably as mechanically accurate as my SA Pro Operator but I just don't shoot it as well because of the trigger not being as good.
While you could argue that training could solve this, you could also argue that you've already got a head start with the Pro and given the same training, you'll still be shooting better.
There's different tools for different jobs. I think you misunderstand, and it appears you didn't even read the part of my comments you quoted and taking me to task on I am not perpetuating any false beliefs.
I am NOT talking about field striping or even "detail" string. I am addressing the false belief that can't take getting dirty or that it's not a suitable combat pistol.
I personally would not feel "under armed" or at a disadvantage if sent into combat with a built for that purpose Having said that.. I also believe we have some modern designs that would make better choices.
And given the choice, depending on what the alternative was I may not choose the I used the word fragile on purpose. I did that to make the point that the s we are buying today and that swat and hrt types are using are NOT the same as the s built for use by infantry. The super tuned, tack driving trophy winning, life saving HRT s are in fact more "fragile" than purpose built for infantry combat s.
And are in fact more expensive and more difficult to maintain if you want to keep their tack driving abilities, verse simply maintaining a built for infantry combat s.
What makes a a tack driver, virtually eliminates its suitability for infantry combat. You can have one or the other in the , but not both. Then why did a Good Samaritan have to shoot a bad guy 3 times in the head with his. The First shot did the trick. The seconds was for good measure and the third was a nervous twitch. I'd ask next time, but I am getting to slow for that crap, and I'm done with it, no matter how good the pay is : No they dont carry their personal weapons as secondaries.
Im an infantry guy so I carry what they give me currently im carryng an M4 with an acog and some crappy sling I did bring my personal p mags with me though. I never said anything about gender. And since seals do not have the ability to stand flippers not feet I'd guess they pee in the prone position. Most likely in the water while swimming. As an casual observer.. And high end will need a bigger budget, both the gun and maintenance.
But why break the bank with a high end if another gun can do the same job? Our issued s are a headache, and I firmly believe we would be better off with Glock 17s and Xs, but with that being said, when our guys shoot a in full gear, with a shield, from a transition, during a stress shoot, etc.
As for putting together guys that are dedicated enough to the system to maintain it and perform to a high level, that is rare indeed. We generally get 6 mo of life out of them before we have to ditch them.
I have much more luck with the 9rd conversions and as I am a shield bearer often, this works for me. There are those out there like that but for the most part their knowledge extends as far as is needed to keep their issued guns running and thats about it. If all you know is the , Glock, Smith and Wesson and its been beaten into your head that its amazing then you too would have a personal attachment to that platform.
I think too many people get emotionally invested to a platform for whatever reason. Some popular gun coaches love to talk down on the , while being paid to shoot a Glock, weird huh? The is every bit a valid platform for defense, the problem in lies in over the last years nobody makes a to the same spec with every company running a different program and their parts being slightly off spec of everyone else, lending to a gun that has to be hand built to be reliable.
By NO means am I saying the , when built properly and maintained how it should is ANY less valid then the equivalent plastic framed or other pistol.
For me, no other gun points as well or feel as good in my hands. Am I faster with a 9mm Glock then a ? Depends what I have been shooting more but at the end of the day I prefer a Cole McC: The nice aspects of. Unfortunately, magazine capacity is less than ideal,. Otherwise, 9 mm using modern well engineered ammo makes the most sense for the vast majority of shooters. Off topic, but did MARs do the work to your in the picture? I would have to agree as a civilian, the platform definitely takes a dedicated user, but for me it was a must have.
Good article. Out of the box, that was a dog. Then Chuck Rogers refined it and it became as reliable as a Glock. Anyway it almost sounds like being a factory armorer is not quite enough to keep one running. Or is it just that keeping one running is easier than a bunch? The first element of this unit was in place by and was called the Special Weapons And Tactics team. Its acronym--SWAT--would influence law enforcement around the world! Growing in number of officers and increasing in refinement, the team has stayed on the cutting edge of the constantly changing science of resolving crisis incidents.
A SWAT cop's priorities are to stop the killing and prevent the dying. When people are in trouble, they call the police. When the police are in trouble, they call SWAT! Mike Albanese says, "We're the last ones to call. There's nobody else. The buck stops here. Beginning and continuing as a volunteer entity within the LAPD, the SWAT team was initially made up of officers who furnished much of their own equipment, including their own firearms.
Not satisfied with the performance or capacity of the. Renowned for its great handling and excellent reliability, the Model is equally well known for the. Virtually a household word as a fight stopper, the. Continuing in popularity for the same reasons, this duo is now more sought after than ever and is even replacing the 9mm pistol in the holsters of a number of U.
Special Forces Operators. The LAPD's budgetary constraints precluded the SWAT from purchasing pistols, but it eventually got permission to issue such sidearms from the Property Division, which selected guns from those that had been confiscated or turned in. Where there were insufficient numbers of these guns, officers furnished their own s.
Kimber Custom II. Even with regular repairs and replacement when available, there has remained the problem of the uniformity of pistols of various makes, vintages, finishes, etc. The decision to finally purchase new pistols was made in early The continues to be cloned by dozens of companies both here and abroad. And getting what you pay for doesn't necessarily apply as one can easily spend twice as much for one pistol that won't perform as well as another.
First and foremost on the performance list is reliability. The pistol simply must work every time all the time.
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